Why Successful Founders Feel Lonelier The More They Grow

[00:00:00] We've all heard this concept of being lonely at the top or how When you're successful, things just feel more lonely.

So if you're a successful entrepreneur, founder, business owner. Whether you're online or even you have an in-person business, you probably find that your life is pretty lonely. You know, you've grown. You've started this business maybe a couple years ago, and you're at a point where you've got clients, you've got a couple of things going on.

You've got some success, you've got some reviews. You've maybe got a little bit of money in the bank, and you're feeling quite good about yourself. It's 2026 and you've maybe gone through this process in the beginning of the year of. Thinking about your future and maybe doing some projections, looking at your cash balances, looking at where your, you know, where your life is headed.

And no matter what your circumstance is, you probably feel a little bit lonely, especially if you've been, you know, going at it for a long time and going at it hard for a long time. [00:01:00] Now, this is something I can relate to. I've been doing this business, so at least my agency. You know, business. I started as a freelancer, something at $9 an hour on Upwork, and now 11 years later, I'm not on Upwork anymore and doing comfortably six figures a year without too much hassle, without too much effort.

And by no means have I figured everything out. By no means I have solved all my problems. In fact, I would say that some of the problems I have are pretty intense. I would say it's a constant reminder of the fact that I don't feel like I'm anywhere near where I want to be despite being successful, despite having three or four years of runway in my bank account, in cash, a few investments, and a good set of clients, even though it's not a lot of clients.

But I've got clients who are loyal, they're respectful, they're my ideal clients. these are the clients who are keeping my. life afloat, keeping me going. And I'm very happy with them and they're very happy with me. [00:02:00] But, you know, there's this loneliness thing that happened as I started feeling success.

Like when I first hit that six figures, there was this loneliness, there was this need that I felt to make friends. There was this need for connection, and I think it's maybe because of. Just the progress that I've made in my life. You know, if you look at Maslow's hierarchy of Needs, it's those levels, right?

It's like, okay, we wanna become self-aware. But then, you know, the areas like right at the bottom is like, food, shelter, all the basic stuff. And then we start wanting to belong to groups. We start wanting to, you know, go up the ladder. I'm not sure exactly what those levels are, but it's one of those things where I started feeling a little bit less in survival mode.

and I think the reason was because, you know, I was working pretty much, I wouldn't say 24 7, but you know, if I got like five or six hours of sleep a day, I was kind of lucky I wasn't going to the gym. I just didn't have the time or I didn't feel like I [00:03:00] had the time.

And, uh, despite the fact that I was in a relationship, it didn't feel like I. Had time for the relationship. You know, we would go out and we would, you know, spend time together, but it wasn't productive time. It wasn't quality time. It wasn't time that I felt super connected to that person. I also, I think I just was in a relationship because I wanted to be in a relationship.

I wasn't in a relationship because I wanted to be fulfilled. It wasn't something that. checked all the boxes as in like, oh, this is actually going somewhere. And the reason for that was because my mind was focused on the business. My mind was focused on getting clear of survival mode of saving money.

Although the first couple of years I did not figure out how to save money, despite the fact I was making good money, even while on Upwork, I just wasn't able to save it and I couldn't quite figure out why. so saving the money was one thing that I had to solve.

The other thing was just the lack of time because I've always felt like I needed to be online. You know, clients were messaging me at odd times of the day. I live in [00:04:00] Thailand and so, um, you know, my days would go late into the night because, you know, client would message me at three in the morning and I'd need to solve their whatever ad campaign or log in to go and check something like it was just.

Dramatically different to how things are now, but I felt like I needed to be on all the time. Yeah, and this is without even having a following, without having any major responsibility as far as a community goes, I didn't have a community because, like I said, I was just focused on the business all the time, and, you know, I got to that point where I thought, oh, my clients would become my friends, but that didn't happen.

Right? When you're in a service-based business, most of the time you're doing transactional work for clients and they're paying you for an X result, or they're paying you for an X item, or they're paying you for an x. output and, and that's it. You know, once you're done, you're done.

and so I learned very quickly that actually building this relationship was hard. Then the other thing that happened too, and [00:05:00] this probably happens with you as well, is because of your work, maybe you feel like you need to move out of the original city that you were brought up in or grew up in.

So for me, I was brought up in South Africa, lived in Johannesburg. Uh, I moved around South Africa a little bit, uh, with my parents also without my parents. It was a lot of transitions that I went through, but also, you know, because of the focus on the business, there was just no time for friends. You know, it was weekends I was going to see clients.

Um, and when I started my business online as well, especially, it was just like whatever time I could spend online, uh, doing the work that clients had asked me to do, I just had to get done. It wasn't a thing of like, oh, let me go. Uh, spend some time with my friends because invariably it was like I didn't have money, first of all, to go out and hang out with them because, you know, a night out for dinner, a dinner or drinks or even a movie would be money that I couldn't keep or I couldn't use for my family or for the business.

[00:06:00] And so, you know, it, I felt very stifled and very, very, uh, stuck in that process. Despite all of that, I was very happy. And so, you know, if you think about the time paradox, it's one of those things where you've got all the time in your, on your business, you're working. Actually, I was working in my business and just feeling happy about the fact that I was busy, feeling happy about the fact that I was needed, feeling happy about the fact that I was doing work in developing my skill.

Now sure, early on in your career, no matter where you are. No matter what you're doing, whether it's your own business or even if you're working for somebody else, developing those skills is important, but there was no balance. And at the end of the day, what I had designed my life to be was that I didn't require balance because.

I ended up loving what I do and I still love what I do and, uh, there are times now even when it completely consumes my life, but not in a negative way because I figured out a couple of things along the way and [00:07:00] I'll get to those, uh, in, in the, you know, later on in the episode. But I want to talk about is, you know, in terms of, because of this constant need to be online or this constant need to, to be delivering for clients, time is a major issue.

I had no time for holidays and no money for holidays, no time for friends, no money to go out, you know, for, for a night out. Um, relationship was stagnant. you know, even with family or whatever because it just wasn't a priority. And in my case, it, it was okay. I felt like that was okay because I was just doing what was necessary.

And that created a couple of things down the line. One is I just became. Socially isolated in terms of not really knowing what was going on in social circles, you know, not really understanding what's going on in politics or what's going on just with things in general that people are talking about now, as an entrepreneur, I never really cared about the weather.[00:08:00]

I never really cared about politics or newsworthy things. I have this attitude where if something is important to me, it'll come to me. Somebody will mention it or maybe it'll show up in my feed if I'm lucky. And so, you know, I didn't make it a thing where I was like updated all the time because again, keeping up to date with all those things is a time consuming exercise and it takes mental bandwidth to understand and to think about.

And then if it's negative stuff in the news or negative things that are going on in the world, it creates this anxiety, it creates all this. Uh, hatred or this feeling of just why isn't the world a better place? Right? At least that's what I used to feel. And because of those sort of things not being updated in my mind and me not being, updated on just the way life is going right now for others, um, that created a challenge in terms of relationships as well, or, you know, love type relationships because if somebody is, [00:09:00] if, let's say the person you're with.

Is interested in some of those things. If they're talking about those things with their friends, if there's, you know, oh, this is the new trend in fashion, or, oh, this is the new trend with this, or, oh, have you seen these new set of speakers or these new sneakers that it's like, I, I just was never up to date with any of those things.

Uh, even with series watching t you know, TV series, it just was never a thing where I was updated and I was discussing those things with my friends. It just never happened. I never bothered with those type of topics. I never do bothered with those type of conversations. And so, you know, it becomes difficult because then what do you talk to your loved one about?

What do you talk to your friends about? What do you talk to your family about? Right. I don't follow football, like sport is a big thing that people follow. And so it's like, well, I don't watch basketball. I don't watch football. I don't follow any of the sports, really. I used to be a [00:10:00] Formula One fanatic, but that fell away many, many years ago because I was like, there's too many updates.

It's a fucking race every two or three weeks, maybe even every week, sometimes now. And it's like, eh. Again, just to take time away from what I was focused on or the things that were important to me. So again, socially is really difficult to keep conversations with people because they're talking about that stuff.

And well, as entrepreneurs, we may not be able to plug in to those conversations because that's not really what we're talking about, right? As entrepreneurs, especially online entrepreneurs, what's important to us. We want to grow an audience. We wanna drive traffic to our office. We wanna develop those offers.

We want to talk to our clients and solve our clients' problems. We want to get better on camera. We want to, you know, grow our, have a growth mindset and focus on growing our mindset. We wanna read books that are interesting in terms of maybe psychology or sales, or, you know, these are the things [00:11:00] that I was following, or these are the things that I was.

Keeping up to date with, right? As an advertiser, somebody who's driven, I don't know at this point, millions of dollars of traffic and made millions of dollars for my clients. That's what I was focused on. It's like, oh, what are the updates around Facebook and Meta and Instagram? What are the updates that I need to care about in terms of creative, right?

These are all very business topics, very online marketing, very sales driven decisions and updates that I'm. Keeping up to date with, but not everybody in my circle was familiar with those things. They didn't even care. In fact, I would say most of my friends, probably most of my family, they don't know even what I do.

So like if I had to describe to them, I would say, and usually I'm just really blunt about it and say digital marketing, and I let them assume Because there's no way the conversation's gonna go forward because they're just not into it. They're just not gonna discuss it. They're just not, you know, people are just not, well, some of the people that I've spoken to are just not [00:12:00] keen on that, you know?

Um, unless they actually wanna dig in. And maybe there is somebody who's growing and following, or maybe there's somebody who has some level of experience. And then, okay. You know, maybe they would ask some questions, but usually that was not the case. Also, in your business, if you're dealing with clients, you're dealing with just team members, you are most likely fighting fires, right?

You are, working in the business and you are the delivery guy. You are the person who's responsible for everything, and so, you know, it's just keeping you occupied all the time. It's what you think of when you go to bed. It's what you think of when you wake up. It's just everything That's going on.

Now, there's a reason that I spoke about all of that really, really quickly and I had, you know, a quick tone and a little bit more of a panicked sort of, speed in my speaking? Because what I realized is, you know, you hear online, you hear from mentors, from gurus, you read in books where it's like, oh, you need to be working [00:13:00] on your business.

And I didn't quite understand what that meant because. working on your business means that you may be working on the processes, you may be working on building the team, motivating the team, keeping your clients happy through systems, right? And there are certain things that we can use, especially now with ai.

We can build tools, we can help cut down some of that process fine. But as it relates to loneliness, this is the loneliness problem. Right. We're so involved as entrepreneurs, we're so involved in the business that we're not actually on the business. And for me, one of the major shifts I would say is because I spent all that time pretty much alone in the middle of the night as it is now.

It's almost 9:00 PM here in Thailand where I am, and I had to learn to be okay with myself When I [00:14:00] was working on clients, building, landing pages, running ad campaigns, you know, looking at performance, looking at analytics. Yes, it's just me sitting alone in a room, but my mind is busy on something external.

And the work that I had to do, what I realized I needed to do was to do work internally to get comfortable with myself. And it wasn't something that just, oh, I realized that, oh, this is something I had to do. Or this was work that I figured I needed to do because there may be a video on YouTube that, you know, pointed it out and it made me realize, oh, lots of books that talk about, oh, you need to do inner work.

Now I've been a very empathetic, I've been a very driven person all my life, and I've used my gut feeling a lot. And I think also what happens is. You listen to a message or you see a blog post, or you read an article, or now maybe chat PT or AI tells you something and then your intuition, if your intuition is [00:15:00] active, will peak.

Its curiosity will peak its interest or will shine in a way where it's like, oh, here's a beacon. Here's something you need to look at. Here's something to pay attention to. And I've been really good in my life, not all my life, but I've been really good at. Noticing when my intuition was trying to tell me something, even if it was from an external stimulus or somebody telling me something, it's like, oh wait, you know what?

That, that's actually a pretty good idea. Now how do we, how do we work on that? And so how did I overcome loneliness to be comfortable with myself? It was one of those things where I first of all took responsibility for my life. I didn't have time for exercise. I didn't have time.

I was getting to the point of being overweight. I was unhealthy. I wasn't moving, I wasn't eating well. You know how it is. You're an entrepreneur and you're working on stuff and [00:16:00] you just order whatever, take away whatever fast food there is because it's 11, 11 o'clock at night and the only thing that's available is McDonald's.

Right? So. That was where it started. It's like, okay, if I wanna have a better relationship with myself, I need to look after myself a little bit more. Uh, as you get older, you realize that, you know, blood sugar is an issue, maybe, uh, hypertension is an issue. You know, you go see the doctor for some reason.

You get sick more too often. Uh, you start drinking alcohol a little bit more. You, you start smoking or you smoke more than you used to. You know, you're, you're consuming more negative things in your life because, oh, you're trying to deal with the stress, and stress is the factor. And so it's like, okay, well how do we find time to exercise?

How do we find time to update ourselves personally? How do we find time to at least make friends? Right? If that's the starting point, like, forget the exercise, forget all of those things, like how do you actually make [00:17:00] friends? And here's a trick that I, I learned. Or here's something that just happened as a byproduct of me connecting with people.

Uh, it happened. It so happened that I was looking for clients and I got on a call hoping that this person would become a client, but actually what they ended up doing for me, or what they ended up being for me, was more of a friend and a mentor. And so I was looking for business, but they were actually just looking to help me.

And so this person, this friend Tom, who's now in Taiwan. He was like, Hey, let's just have a call every couple of weeks. Right? I'm happy to coach you. Like happy to see your progress. And we do it for free. And I was taken aback and I was like, wait, how? Why are you doing this for free? Like, I can't afford your services.

I can't afford your coaching. Why are you helping me? And so we figured out a way that I could maybe help him with a couple of things. You know, build a funnel, build a website, help him with a couple ads. we did some work [00:18:00] together in the beginning, but I think that was more of a. You know, just a give and take situation that happened in the beginning, but at the end of the day, he just wanted to be my friend and he just wanted to connect and he just wanted to help me grow.

And on a call one day, he was like, you need to get to the gym. You now have a few friends. You started speaking to somebody, you're speaking to me, but I think you need to get to the gym. And we set that as one of the goals. And for weeks, for months, maybe even for a whole year, I didn't actually get to the gym.

It was a main goal. That we spoke about every two weeks or every month. And he said to me, okay, well how about you just put the gym shoes on? Just take a shower and just get the outfit on? And invariably what happened was I ended up walking to the gym, or getting to the gym somehow, or even doing some exercise at home.

And that started making some changes. that started affecting my life where I was like, oh, this actually feels good. I was somebody who exercised in the past, [00:19:00] and I knew that I wanted to get back into exercise because of that feeling. Good thing that happens when you do exercise. And it wasn't so much about building muscle or getting into shape, it was just like, Hey, let's do the thing because we like doing it before and it's something we wanna do again.

And this excuse of not having time is just not an excuse anymore. It should not be an excuse anymore. You know, I was making decent money at that time and I obviously had the time to speak to him for an hour every two weeks or so And so he was like, well, what about putting another hour aside and just going to the gym or getting some exercise in, even if it's going for a walk?

And so I started doing that and he taught me that building relationships or creating friendships can be. A thing that we do just as a byproduct of getting outside, of just going to places where people are congregating. And the gym is a great place because if you start developing your confidence in your body and in your mind, then you can open up and you can [00:20:00] start speaking to people, right?

People will start noticing you because you're going there more often. People will say hello to you because, oh, here's a familiar face, right? They've seen you before. It's like, oh, you're back to the gym again. Nice. Cool. And they, you know, they make comments. People are generally friendly, especially here in Thailand.

And so that's what was happening is I started to make friends and having a few conversations outside of home, outside of where I worked. And so, you know, making friends became easier and working on my body became easier. And then the next progression was. To start eating a little better because it's like, oh, what's the point of going to the gym if you're still going to eat McDonald's at 11:00 PM at night?

Now, what does this have to do with loneliness? Well, when you start getting confident in yourself and you start realizing that actually getting out there, meeting people and understanding how these things all play together, [00:21:00] the loneliness. Starts to dissipate. It's never gonna go away.

But as a business owner, somebody who's really focused on a specific goal or a specific process, It's a process to build a business. It's not a goal to build a business. The goal is to make money in the business.

The goal is to make the business successful. The process of building a business also involves exercise and making connections, building the team, having friendships, having a relationship with yourself, right? And so you're not lonely if you're comfortable being alone.

You're never lonely. If you are comfortable in your own skin. You're never lonely when you're just sitting on the sofa doing absolutely nothing. and feeling okay. You're never lonely even if you're in a crowd and you can't talk to anybody because you can't relate to anybody. You don't feel bad about being alone, [00:22:00] about not being able to fit in because you are yourself and you are confident in your own skin.

You're confident in your own body, and you know what you've done. You know who you are, you know what you've worked on. And so. If topics like the weather or politics or whatever, don't vibe with you, there's no need to make small talk because if that's just not interesting to you, then those people are probably not gonna be interesting to you.

They're probably interesting to others. Fine. They have a social circle, fine. But if they don't jam with you, then so be it. You'll find your jam, you'll find your people. People like you will start to see you. They'll start to talk to you. And invariably what I've realized is in the 10 years now, there's actually far more entrepreneurs walking around than ever before.

Especially because I'm in Thailand, and this is a hub for [00:23:00] just creativity and people doing stuff online and building, you know, followings and, you know, doing business online, doing TikTok shop, or doing some sort of trading, some sort of service. Maybe they have products online, whatever they're doing.

There is online work happening and that's okay. That's really good actually, and it's gonna get more and more over time. So that's what I wanna say in this video, is that you're feeling lonely because you're not okay with yourself and you're not confident in yourself.

And so this is how you solve it. You start doing things for yourself, even if it feels selfish, even if your wife or if your girlfriend, or if your, sisters or daughters or whoever in your family, or even your friends are saying, oh, you don't have time for me, but you're going to the gym. It's like, well, yeah, right.

Prioritize what's most important. And you as the founder, you as the entrepreneur, if your [00:24:00] clients are. Number one. Well, I would suggest making yourself number one because when you make yourself number one, and this is what's happened to me, is that when I realize that I can take care of myself, then I realize that I could take care of others in a much better way.

There's a reason why the safety messages that you hear on flights, just before you take off. say that you have to put your own mask on if there's an emergency and the gas masks come down You have to take care of yourself first, and then you can help somebody else.

reason they say that is because only when you can breathe freely you can help somebody else breathe freely. So keep that in account now. The other thing that I realized as I started grow my business was that the loneliness actually became more intense. the reason for that was because I realized that I wasn't working on it hard enough, or I wasn't putting enough focus on it, so what I did was [00:25:00] started going to the gym a little bit more often, making it a little bit more serious.

Instead of just putting the clothes on, oh wait, let me get a trainer because then I can learn how to do the exercises as well. And then I build accountability into the process as well. now it's like my trainer doesn't get paid if I don't show up for the session. So I want him to be successful.

I want to be successful. And so I want to show up for the exercise because, well, this is something that I'm paying for and I want my trainer to also, be compensated by the fact that, well, I am able to afford a session. and therefore he gets to grow his business or he gets to grow his income in that same way.

So there's a. Give and take, or there's a, you know, I'm giving. And he's also Giving. And so we are, you know, we're both benefiting from that process. And so then I built accountability with Tom as well. It's like, okay, well these are the things that we're working on and he holds me accountable every two weeks.

He's like, okay, what have you done with this goal? You mentioned this last time. What have you done? Where are you [00:26:00] along this process? Right? We are focused on growth, we are focused on growing our community, building our brand, doing all of these things. And the other thing that I would say that's helped me a lot is just to feel gratitude all the time is, you know, I wake up and this is not a daily thing, but it happens often.

Even right now, as I said to you, I'm feeling really grateful for the fact that it's Friday, that it's been a really busy week, but it's been a really productive week. I'm. Further along in terms of being able to put content out. I'm further along with my relationships. I've grown my relationships over the past couple of years, and I'm in a good spot.

And my coach, Caleb, who maybe you'll meet on this, YouTube channel at some point, or even on the podcast at some point, he's done an episode as well on the podcast in the past couple years ago. [00:27:00] He is a constant reminder to me. About what I've achieved and how I'm living my life and how I've hacked the system is what he says.

it's really nice to have a friend and have a coach remind you of where you are and what you've done. Not to bring up the past, but to bring up your success because when we are grateful, then. We invariably create more success. We invariably create more gratefulness. We invariably create more empathy because if we stay grounded using gratefulness or staying in gratitude, then the ego doesn't get boosted.

The ego doesn't feel inflated, and in some cases, sure, you know, we can go off the rails and we can. You know, oh, I'm not lonely anymore. I can go take on the world. Sure. Okay. No problem. But it's nice to have somebody to talk to. Nice to have [00:28:00] somebody to bounce ideas off, even if those ideas are fancy or you know, too farfetched.

The goal of having a coach or the goal of having somebody to talk to is to not feel judged because this is what happens. And they should have probably mentioned this earlier in the conversation. The relationships you have, feel strained because most of the time people are judging you for not spending time with them, for not being included in the conversation, for not sharing the same topics or talking about the same topics that they do.

And it's difficult. You end up leaving people behind

and it's difficult because you end up leaving people behind. And it's okay. It's okay to leave people behind because I believe that people to our lives for a reason. a death, there's a start date, and there's a date to everything, right? A person starts a relationship with [00:29:00] you, whether it's just a conversation in the gym the first time, and then you know, maybe you go on a couple of dates or maybe even just become friends and you go out for drinks, and at some point that person is gonna go away, whether they.

Just naturally dissolve out of your life because one, you don't have the time. They don't have the time, or maybe their interests are not aligned, or whatever the case may be. Or they die. Or you die. It's inevitable. It's just, it's gonna happen and holding onto people. Like that's a whole nother story.

That's a whole nother level of need, right? That's a whole attachment conversation that we can have maybe in another episode. But at the end of the day, it's not your responsibility to maintain or keep those relationships. You only keep the relationships that you want to keep, that you feel is providing value to you.

That's providing you with a pain-free way of keeping the relationship going. And it's gotta be, give and take. It's gotta be, you know. Your friend [00:30:00] wants to be in touch with you because they care for you, because they love you, because they love talking to you, because they love spending time with you and because maybe you're contributing to their lives, hopefully you're contributing to their lives in some way as well.

And that's, that's the litmus test for a truly true relationship. I would say,

and I'll end on this, is that it's not to say that you need more friends. Maybe you just need to change the quality of her friends. Or maybe there's a certain group of friends that are just very judgmental and make you feel like crap, and it's not fun hanging out with them because they're always judging you for who you are and what you're doing and what you're trying to achieve.

So cut them out and find friends who actually value you for who you are, who you can actually have a proper conversation with, who you can actually trust, who you can actually sit down and share your secrets, share your insecurities, share your. Problems with, and maybe they actually [00:31:00] help you solve some of those things because maybe they've been through it, or maybe they can at least talk you through what you are going through without any judgment or without any resentment or what, without any jealousy.

Right. that's a true benefit of having a good friend now. Otherwise, there's just no point in having him around. I would say it's the same with family. It's like don't hang out with family members who are just. Idiotic and who just hate who you are, even though you know behind the back and maybe they're saying shitty things about you, but in front of your face, they're just nice and pleasant and, and it's contradictory.

It's like, oh, you don't wanna hang out with people who are superficial, who are just not true, just not authentic. So loneliness is one of those things where you're okay with yourself. Then you're okay with people and you're selective. You filter the people who are in your life.

You build relationship with the people who you want to. You work on your business because it's something you love doing and it's fun doing, and you monitor your time. You monitor how you're [00:32:00] spending your time, how you're spending your energy, right? Energy consumption is probably, I would say the most important part because if you're feeling exhausted all the time, then you gotta figure out like who are the people that are taking your energy away from you?

And stay away from those energy vampires. Could be somebody on your team. Just replace them with somebody who actually is contributing energy to the system, contributing energy to your clients, contributing energy to you, because there's no point in hanging out with people again, who are just gonna drag you down.

So, yeah, if you've, resonated with this, if you understand this, then. you might see a link in the description. And basically I'm inviting you to Growth Circle. Growth Circle is a place where you know you have a couple problems in your life. Maybe you have couple problems in your business and just come hang out.

We do a call every week. It's starting like soon, right? This is a new community. It's something that, um, is growing, something that I'm focused on. And because you listened [00:33:00] to this episode and you've gotten to this point off the episode, I'm inviting you, I'd like you to come hang out. Have conversations with me and Caleb.

You're gonna meet Caleb, you're gonna meet a couple of people. You're gonna meet other entrepreneurs who are struggling in the same way. And the reason I put this community together, or am putting this community together is because I want to solve this loneliness problem, not just for myself, but also for you, right?

I've solved a lot of it for myself, but I'd love to help others solve it as well, because it's a real problem. And loneliness can actually be the bottleneck. Loneliness can be one of the things that's holding you back from growing your business to the point that you are actually feeling successful to growing your bank balance, to building the relationships and the connections that you actually want.

Loneliness is a big problem and I want to help solve that if I can. In this peer level group called Growth Circle, there's a link, it's hosted on school. As I said, we have calls every week. Bring your [00:34:00] problems, let's discuss them and let's see if we can help each other out. That's all it is. So if you enjoyed this episode, you know, subscribe, leave a review on Apple or, or wherever you're listening to this episode.

If you are on YouTube, then you know, post the comment below. Let me know what's your experience been as an entrepreneur on this journey. And, uh, if you're inclined to come, hang out at Growth Circle and see how we can help each other. Good. Take care. Enjoy.

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