23. The Importance of Public Speaking with Brenden Kumarasamy [MasterTalk]

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Brenden Kumarasamy is the founder of MasterTalk, a YouTube channel he started to help the world master the art of public speaking and communication.

Brenden coaches purpose driven entrepreneurs on how to master their message and share their ideas with the world.

Catch up with Brenden here:
- https://www.instagram.com/masteryourtalk
- https://www.facebook.com/mastertalkyt
- https://www.youtube.com/c/MasterTalks

Show Notes:

Burhaan Pattel  0:00  
Hey, welcome to the marketing stack podcast in today's episode, I'm talking to Brandon comas. Kumarasamy and I apologize to Brandon for getting his last name butchered. Brandon has a very interesting way of looking at life and public speaking specifically. And obviously due to COVID, due to the pandemic in 2020, depending on when you're listening to it, well, you know, everybody had to go online. And so he had to prove it. And so I tell he tells some of that story through the through the podcast, and we share some very interesting tips on how to actually present yourself, and some of the most important questions that you should ask yourself to actually make an impact or to, you know, get your message out to the world. So enjoy the episode. And without further do, here is the interview with Brandon.

Burhaan Pattel  0:55  
Cool. So Brandon, welcome to the show. Again, thanks for reaching out to me, you obviously contacted me to get on the podcast. So to give you a little bit of context, and I'm probably sure that you're familiar with my channel, or what I'm doing is basically educating people on marketing and why marketing is important. And so coming back to you is why is marketing important to you? And then we can loop that back to who you are and and what you're about.

Brenden Kumarasamy  1:27  
Yeah, absolutely. Burhaan. And are I pronouncing your name? Correct?

Burhaan Pattel  1:30  

Brenden Kumarasamy  1:31  
Okay. Just want to make sure. Awesome. Yeah, you know, the way that I think about marketing is it is the way of sharing your ideas with the world. And I think Seth Godin puts it the best way. He says that marketing is a way to express your ideas in a way that more people can hear them and take action on them. So where to make a difference way to make a change. And I've always seen marketing in that way, and how it affects my work.

Burhaan Pattel  1:56  
Cool. So your work specifically being public speaking. And if I'm correct in saying you live with your mom, you're a six figure earner who speak multiple languages. Let me just get your profile up here. You speak English, French, and Tamil, you're in Canada and your own channel called MasterTalk on YouTube. So tell us about all of those things and how it is that you're still at your mom's place.

Brenden Kumarasamy  2:24  
That's an interesting way of starting the conversation after that. Said, the reason why MasterTalk started was when I was in university, but when I used to do these things called case competitions, think of it like professional sports, but for nerds. So other guys my age from playing, you know, footy or rugby, or cricket, because I wasn't really into, I applied that same competitive spirit, but to presentations. So I did that for three years, presented hundreds of times could just of people not really to start a business or be speech coaches is just something I did for fun. And then after I started working in the corporate world, I just asked myself a simple question, how can I make a difference in the world? And that's when the idea for MasterTalk came to be?

Brenden Kumarasamy  3:09  
Because I realized a lot of the content out there on communication is horrifyingly bad. You hear advice, like, oh, Burhaan, you should be yourself or get up on stage. And I said, what are you supposed to do with any of this? I started making videos in my mother's basement that's what led to MasterTalk. And the reason I never left my mom's place, is because I think all of the rules in society, you know, make no sense. And I think that one being one of them, especially if your parents are good to you. Obviously, if they're not, then that's a different story. But in my case, since it's my dream was to build a scalable coaching practice online, and to build a YouTube channel, it made a lot more sense to take that $1,000 Canadian that other my friends who had that same level of income, were spending in, you know, rent, like Why should I do that? Why don't I just retire my mother, and use that same 1000 for my to hire a world class video production team? So that's what I did.

Burhaan Pattel  4:08
Sure. I mean, that's smart. And so to give you a bit of backstory about me, as well as so I stumbled across minimalism, almost out of necessity. I was broke, on eating peanut butter sandwiches, couldn't put fuel in my ex wife's in the car to take my ex wife to work. And so I basically just had to cut down on everything that I had. I sold also a bunch of shit too, because just like, we need money for food, so let's just sell what we can. And I got to a point, obviously, where I didn't have any more things to sell. I was trying to start a business. I had started businesses before and failed. So it wasn't like it was the first time. But yeah, it was kind of like, Well, let me try to minimize my life. Let go of all the things that I think thought I needed and then build up from there. So literally like starting from scratch and long story short that's how I ended up in Thailand. Needless to say, my ex wife didn't come with me. And so that like cut out even more baggage, which actually helped me a lot. Not to say that she was baggage. But, you know, having having a relationship can be challenging and can can put a little bit of a burden depending on what the relationship is like. But yeah, I totally understand that decision. It's like, how can you maximize your time? How can you maximize your impact? How can you minimize your costs, so that you can use that money in the right ways to do the things you really want to do? So that's interesting. So thank you for sharing that.

Brenden Kumarasamy  5:47  
I love that. You know, it's small joke. I told my friends all the time. You know, we used to call it not having money for breakfast, you know, wake up and never have breakfast. I came from a poor family. And today we call it intermittent fasting. So there you go.

Burhaan Pattel  5:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just a different. A different spin on the categories.

Brenden Kumarasamy  6:04  
Yeah, there you go.

Burhaan Pattel  6:05  
So why did you specifically choose public speaking because as a speaker or as somebody who communicates well, you could have done copywriting you could have done ad creatives, you could have done so many different things, because the medium that we communicate with is language and speaking. So why public speaking specifically?

Brenden Kumarasamy  6:27  
That's the right question asked man. And you're especially right on the point that most people who are great communicators aren't actually coaches. Right? People like Tony Robbins, the motivational speakers, the CEOs, their executives, they're people at the echelons of society. So why did I decide to coach? I think, for me that the overarching question has always been never what are you passionate about? I think people who ask themselves that question most of them will get will hit a wall. Because passions are very vague in general, that's not true for the 5% of people are listening. But understand you're in the 5%. The other 95 have no clue what their passion is, don't have that direction.

Burhaan Pattel  7:07  
And then actually passionate about many things. They just can't decide on one.

Brenden Kumarasamy  7:11  
There you go. That's another one. Right? I completely agree with that point. So I think a better question to ask is, what does the world need you most to do right now? And why?

Burhaan Pattel  7:24

Brenden Kumarasamy  7:24  
This is a question I've always asked myself my entire life, maybe not in that order. Now I know how to verbalize it better. But it's the general idea of my life since I was 12. And I asked myself, what does the world TV boasted you right now and why? The answer wasn't starting a YouTube channel and nice.

Burhaan Pattel  7:36  
Right it never probably never is to anybody. Yeah.

Brenden Kumarasamy  7:43  
Right to anybody, right? Maybe maybe being a YouTuber, actually 10 years ago, nobody cared about being a YouTuber. So so back then it was no no get money. Like get a corporate job job. Yeah. Right. That's what that's what the key is my mom's making minimum wage. Let me figure this up. So I studied really hard. I was really good at mathematics. So I wanted to get a job at one of the big four accounting firms. What I started doing, I thought PricewaterhouseCoopers for those who know the company, thought it was a water bottling company, it's a loss. But anyway, I got a job there. And then after I said, Okay, what does the world need be most of you right now and what? I realized in Business School, that I fell in love with Case Competition, that weird thing I was talking about earlier. We were essentially presenting to executives for fun it's like a sport people do around and there's a there's a team from Thailand. Thomas at university I'm good friends with that is a huge Case Competition school. Right. So So anyways, the point is, so I was like, Okay, I want to get a job in consulting now. McKinsey or IBM.

Brenden Kumarasamy  8:40  
So I start doing all these case competitions. And then after I get the job, and then I asked myself, What does the world to me most do and why. And I realized in that moment, through a random series of events, that I'm the youngest professional speech coach in the world, and nobody was making good content for free for people to learn from. So that's when it clicked for MasterTalk. But that's the point decisions are more important than passions. If I never made the decision to be an accountant or to be a technology consultant, or to do case competitions, right? I never would have had even the expertise to do MasterTalk.

Burhaan Pattel  9:17
But it's interesting you say that, because in marketing, or what I've learned from marketing, and what I discovered through marketing is that there's never one thesis there's never one outcome. It's always multiple things that we're testing to try to find multiple outcomes. And so there's never really failure. It's always just a lesson in what's next. What do we need to improve on? And so I'm pretty sure you're gonna say the same thing. You're shaking your head already. But in speaking it's like, okay, you present it, you present something, you create a presentation or as a talk, and it doesn't quite land the way you want to. And so the next time you do the talk, you tweak them some things, maybe you take a story out, maybe add a story and maybe make it longer. Maybe making shorter, whatever the thing is, but you change it in some way and test it again. Is that correct?

Brenden Kumarasamy  10:07
I completely agree. Right, you'll never get that speech on the first try in the same way that in marketing, you have to test different channels to see what sticks. And the only way to know is to test all of them. Right a little bit. And then same thing with me with presentations, you want to pick one topic you want to present that you care about. But then you want to try different tools to figure out what sticks and what lands based on who you are as the speaker, and the audience's you generally speak to?

Burhaan Pattel  10:34
Hmm. So you said something interesting about you said, you know, pick the thing that you want to make an impact on in the world? And I know, I've changed the wording there a little bit. But you said the world, right. And so a lot of people, in my opinion, don't think of the world immediately. It's kind of like, Oh, well, how can I just make 20 bucks today? or How can I just make $1,000 this month? And so, you know, when you think of that number, it's, you don't need the world, right? They're just trying to do what they can. And so that leads me to believe that your vision is a lot bigger than the audience on my podcast, or the other podcasts that you've been on. You're on a certain mission. So talk to me about that.

Brenden Kumarasamy  11:21  
Right. So the first thing I want to comment on that I loved is this idea that I think it's great that if you want to make 1000 bucks, I started there.

Burhaan Pattel  11:28  
Of course, right?

Brenden Kumarasamy  11:30
Right. Yeah, I just want to emphasize for people like this is, you know, I think the key to to focusing on the world is first to win yourself, like, go go, go get your, your, your food on the table. Right, right, says the same thing with me. You know, I thought I was going to be an executive at a company. That's what I want to it's like most Indian families, do people grew up in those environments. It's like, what else? What entrepreneurs?

Burhaan Pattel  11:54
That wasn't even a word?

Brenden Kumarasamy  11:55  
What? Like, why would I do that? If you get a job, the kids that are IMB, all these big companies, why would you want to be why would you want to risk entrepreneurship. So that was my thinking. But that was before I had the idea for MasterTalk. Right, I didn't really see myself starting a business at all until that idea came and I said, Oh, no, I can execute this. So So I think what happens to people's life is is for those who end up getting there, the very lucky few, I guess, is you transition from surviving, to thriving. So you prioritize income at the beginning of your life like I did. And then you only care about legacy when all of your basic needs are met. It's just for me, that transition got just ramped up very quickly. Right, I think I was already making a pretty good living when I was 21, or 22. So I said, What am I going to do just die? And just make this list? Like no? Oh, then the purpose starts. Right. So I think for me, what helped me a lot. This is the hobbit I recommend people do is ask yourself one hard question about life every single day. Because I think too many people are absorbing information, and not enough time, reflecting. And I'm happy to give a couple of examples of questions. Questions like, what are you pretending not to know? You got all the money in the world? How would you spend your time if you died tomorrow? What would your funeral speech say about you? If you were a god, what would you do first? And why? And what is the truth that you believe in that most people disagree with you on? These are questions that are freely available, right they're there you are, I'm gonna charge you for these questions. But most people aren't asking them.

Burhaan Pattel  13:32  
Well, there's that maybe they don't know what the question should be, or how it like now they know, right? So if they're listening, you know, you write those down and go through the exercise. I think one of the things, and this is true for myself is you hear people speaking about, like, doing these exercises, like you just have these five questions, but then answering them is fucking difficult. Right? It's hot. And so now you know, you're sitting down, maybe you're on the toilet, or maybe you're eating your pizza, you're in front of the TV, or you're, you know, you're you're waiting for something to happen. Maybe you're on the train. And so now you this thought comes to your mind and says, oh, Brenden said this on this podcast, I have this note written down on my phone, let me tackle it. But then you get distracted. And then you never go back or you write one or two words, and then it's kind of forgotten. And so for me, it's you know, when we, when I come across these type of exercises to do doesn't matter who it is. It could be somebody influential like yourself, or Tony Robbins, or you know, one of the other big names in the space. Or you read a book, and it's like, Okay, well, let me actually sit down with a pen and paper. And let me think about this.

Burhaan Pattel  14:46
And if it takes an hour, 15 minutes, like I don't have this concept of time. Well, you know, we need to be on time to meetings and stuff, but I freed myself up in the sense that I can pretty much do whatever the hell I want to whenever I want to. Right. So I've built my life around that where I've optimized my time, so that I have the time to reflect on these things. Anything. That's part of the reason why I've been successful as well. And it sounds like you're on that mission as well to teach people those skills. So that's awesome. So another question that I had was, you know, you're, you're in the public speaking space, it's 2020, we're going into 2021. The obvious is happening all around us. And so when people think of public speaking, they think of a physical stage with lots of lights, and a couple 100 people in the audience, right? You never think of a band member playing guitar in front of 1000 people when you think when you use the words public speaking. So now that we're in this phase of our very interesting lives, what's your and obviously you have your YouTube channel? But have you switched? Or have you changed your message for the online environment?

Brenden Kumarasamy  16:06  
Absolutely, I think we're most of the messaging has changed Burhaan is more in terms of the speach engagements, the way that I communicate and dissipate my message. So I'll give an example. Pre COVID I never really guested on shows, never thought to do that. It was more just oh, I have all these speaking engagements. I fly out to these speaking engagements, meet everyone in person build relationships that way, right. But COVID kind of slapped me in the face. And all my revenue dropped to pretty much zero, right? I just asked myself, luckily, I had a day job. So I wasn't too bad. But I kind of just asked myself, Well, what do I do now? Right? So that's when the idea for virtual speaking engagements, keep guessing on shows virtually. And then a new set of rules start to create themselves. So I'll give an example. In the online world, it's a lot harder for you to gauge the reaction of your audience versus the offline one. So if you're in person, if I, you know, for I'm in Thailand, and I'm giving you a presentation in Bangkok or something, Burhaan giving you a presentation say, okay, and I say a joke, two things will happen. One, you'll either laugh at the joke and say, well, Brenden, it's such a funny guy, or two, which is much more likely, you'll look at me and go, Well, this guy's not funny. It's really not, it's not. Right, but either way, I can look at how you're reacting. And I can adapt my presentation accordingly. But in the online world, when everyone's on a zoom call, and everyone's cameras are off, or you're on a webinar, and you don't see anybody, you don't have that luxury, which means the same joke that you said, you need to say it and assume it's funny, right? And that's a very different dynamic.

Burhaan Pattel  17:52  
That's makes sense.

Brenden Kumarasamy  17:54  
It's too convenient. That's why the trick to online is you want to practice like ideally, if you if you brought a presentation you can keep doing over and over again. But it was the the idea that I really want to push people to think about is there's a couple of things you can do in this new world. The first one is always keep your eyes on the camera lens. I know it's very weird, because your your intuition is to always look at the person's face.

Burhaan Pattel  18:17  
Yeah. It's what I'm doing right now.

Brenden Kumarasamy  18:19  
Yeah, it's very, it's very odd. So So the trick is, unless you got expensive equipment like Burhaan, which you want to do is you want to put a picture of somebody that you love, or a favorite food, next to the camera lens, you can always look at the lens at all times. So I've trained myself to do that. And then another thing is just always assume good intention from your audience. It's not easy to do. Not easy to do overnight, but it will over time happen. So that means as you talk to your audience, more and more, you start to realize that they're really good people. And that's real people, then your belief system of them will change.

Burhaan Pattel  19:00  
Right. Well, it's interesting, you say that, because I like you mentioned, you know, being on video, right? So my rule of business or like to give you again, a little bit of a story. So I've only met one of the 110 clients that I've worked with in the last six years in person. So 99 odd percent is all through Zoom calls or Skype calls. And I have one rule is always use your camera. If there's no camera, we move the meeting. So the reason for that is to have that reaction is to see the response. Right. And so, the other thing that there is, is depending on whether the person is set up or not like you've got a wall behind you. You're in your mom's house somewhere probably right now. So, you know, there's a lot that you can tell about a person by their hair, their you know, even just just what's in view, just just from my experience, which helps, which helps a lot with sales calls especially. So you know, I there is a transition, provided you can set the boundaries, you can still sort of have a similar thing. Now the group thing is completely different because now you don't have that crowd effect of everybody clapping or laughing or crying or throwing tomatoes at you. But, you know, it is it's possible to do.

Burhaan Pattel  20:29  
The other thing I wanted to ask you is because I've heard people say this, you know, people who do big presentations like Russell Brunson, and Tony Robbins, and these guys, they're doing massive zoom calls with like 3-4-5-10-20,000 people on the call, where they've got these huge monitors, and they can see everybody's faces, then they set themselves up with this lots of equipment so that they can try to create that crowd effect. One because they're used to the crowd effect. And they need that for their own sort of presentation style. But also, because they want to see the faces, right, obviously. So they say that the online presentation style is a little different, purely because of the media that's involved. And the and you can tell me, but the physical space of having somebody in a room, the chances of somebody walking out on you, is less, because now the embarrassment of standing up and leaving the room, they're fighting their own internal beliefs, or their own drama in their head of whether they should be up there or not. With the online environment, they can switch off and leave at any time. They don't give a damn. And if and they're probably never going to see you again. Whether they you recognize them on the email list or not. It's not an it's not a thing. So what can you say about that? Like, what can the audience take from that? And how can we make things so that it's, you become, like, go back to? I mean, you can't replicate it 100%. But what advice can you give to that?

Brenden Kumarasamy  22:05  
No, that's a great observation. I completely agree with you. But it's probably something I should add to my videos. Because it's true. But I think the way that I would add to that, is this idea that you're right. In many cases, you know, it's the the friction involved in online presentations is a lot slower. It's a lot lower, somebody could just leave at any time. So how do you as the speaker still deliver an exceptional presentation, it's going to depend on who you are. So let's say you're a business owner, who's always presenting the same presentation all the time, then you have a big advantage in the online world, because you're so confident. So many people have told you that the presentation is good that even if half of the people switch off, you know, it's good internally.

Brenden Kumarasamy  22:51  
But the worst thing you can do an online, but sometimes you're forced to, is presenting something brand new you've never tried before. Because when you do that and you present, you don't have that same confidence. So if you see people start switching off their camera start going, Oh, no, my presentation must be really bad. Look, I've been in online rooms where I see a lot of people turn off the cameras, right? So it looks like I'm really bad as a speaker, but I know it's a good presentation. I've literally done it hundreds of times. And then you find that out at the end. When you get a bunch of great feedback. They go well, Brenden, we loved it. You know, I just went to go pick up my kid and like nobody came right back. Yeah, you don't look, you can still know. Right. So I think that's that's the message I have for people is that the secret of public speaking. Even if you're at work, and your presentations changed all the time, is to pick one topic, master that topic and then start presenting it so many times that you become a master at communication. And for you that's simple. Burhaan is make a presentation on your own podcast.

Burhaan Pattel  23:52  
Yeah. 100%. So with the transition to online and promoting your YouTube channel, this obviously your your YouTube channel is content, right? So you're using YouTube as an attractive mechanism, but also as a as an education, right? It's a source of education for people in your space. People who want to know about public speaking. And so the skills that you've learned through public speaking are probably helping you. Right? So translate for me the physical, public speaking gigs that you would normally get to creating content.

Brenden Kumarasamy  24:33  
Absolutely. So the way that I think about it, man is communication is a multiplier effect. And that's what's great about it's hard to start, but once you start getting the momentum going, you ramp up really quickly. And what I mean by that is as you get better in one vertical communication, you start to get better at all of them. So if I'm better at having dinner conversations with my friends, I get better as a podcast guests if I get better as a podcast guests, I get better as a podcast host, etc, etc. Right? So same thing with this. So when I started presenting on camera, I was actually really bad. If you don't believe it, you could just go check out my first YouTube, which are still

Burhaan Pattel  25:12  
We all are. Anyone who's tried a YouTube channel knows,

Brenden Kumarasamy  25:16  
Right? And it was super embarrassing for me. Because when I started, I already had like 400 presentations under my belt. So I had I had a lot of experience going into and I saw my first video I just went, I'm not posting this, this is horrendous. But I think that the way that this translates to your question is if you have experience in other verticals of communication, the ramp up time for the next skill becomes a lot shorter. So let's say in the case of camera, I was horrid, like horrendously bad, but because I had so much experience at presentations, I knew how to how to intensely work on my skill. So I probably presented like 500 times in a year on camera, like I was nuts, like I was so obsessed. And because and also because I didn't know how to edit any videos, that what I was in the middle of a 10 minute video, and i'd i'd mess up I'd literally start again at the beginning.

Burhaan Pattel  26:11
Oh, wow. Okay.

Brenden Kumarasamy  26:12
Right. So because I just didn't have it was just me in my mother's basement, since you know, like I was just there with the phone. But because I practice so many times, it forced me to do each video like 10 times. So after a year, I just became really good on camera, and then I went professional. So that's my advice to people is get better at start to get better at verticals of communication that you think could drive the most incentive for you to master communication, and selfishly and then go on to the other verticals.

Burhaan Pattel  26:43  
I would say like further to that is just start, just record something and throw it up. Because, you know, like, when it comes to public speaking, and I'll relate this to content as well is people have this fear. If it's fear of getting on stage, fear of speaking, speaking in front of a lot of people. So you mentioned the word world earlier. And so when people think, Oh, I'm going to post something online, they never think oh, they're just posting it to one person. They thinking of the world. And so that automatically stops them because they're, they're stuck, that they're they're they're afraid they're afraid of the trolls. So what advice can you give to that to get on the stage? Get in front of the camera? Just hit record? What's the advice there?

Brenden Kumarasamy  27:28  
Yeah, for me, the advice is, understand that the message should matter more than the fear. You know, the fear is always going to be there. Right, I can give you an example at the boxing match. So let's say you're in a boxing ring. And one side of the ring is your fear. The other side of the ring is their message. Yeah, sure, the fear will always be in the ring. But you got to make sure that your message gets the knockout punch. And I'll give you a great example. Bernie Brown is one of the top speakers in the world.

Burhaan Pattel  27:55
I love it.

Brenden Kumarasamy  27:57  
Yeah, she's great. Me too. And she's an expert in vulnerability. But she's very public about the fact that in her first her first TED Talk, she mentioned that. She goes, Yeah, I don't really like public speaking. The question we need to ask ourselves, is not why is she scared? Because she's obviously doesn't like to be this, she should be scared. But why does she do it anyways? Because Bernie realized, like many of us that the single mother who has seven kids doesn't have time to read, every single annotation or research paper doesn't have time to read a 700 page book. It's less than 700. But I'm just exaggerate for the sake of the conversation. But the point is, Bernie has to make a choice. And that choice is do I want people to consume my information only through books or research papers? Or do I take that extra 30 minutes of my life, those extra couple of hours to fly out to an event, present this 15-20 minute video with the hope that this free video will impact somebody in the world who can't afford or who doesn't have time to go through her books? She made her choice. In the same way I made mine. Right. I started MasterTalk when I was 22 years old, and I started coaching C suite executives when I was 23. Who the hell am I to do any of this? Right? I'm just some kid in my mother's basement. But I made that choice because I needed to serve the people who were younger than me. The people couldn't afford a speech coach, what amazing ideas. I don't know any other speech coach in their 20s is sharing information like I do on YouTube. It was a choice that I made in the same way that a lot of 14-13-12 year olds literally have interviewed me on their podcasts. Right? So that's the point I want to drive. It's a choice you got to make and the same way Bernie made her choice and I made mine now everyone in their audience needs to make theirs.

Burhaan Pattel  29:54
Perfect I love that man. So tell me so about the channel. So what's your vision like you're doing all content for free, obviously, you know, there's got to be some monetary monetary component to it. So what what's your 2-3-5 year plan? Where do you want this to go?

Brenden Kumarasamy  30:11  
Yeah, so definitely the beginning. And it's worth mentioning, there was a new monetization plan I was I was planning on doing this for fun as a passion project outside of my executive job, right? Or the job I was going to have in five years, I kept working. But what I realized over time was A, I needed to spend more time on this because the world needed me to do this. Or this is something that I felt I could execute help more people with, because nobody was sharing this at this level. But the other thing is, I realized I could monetize this a lot better than I than I thought initially. Right? It was like, duh, public speaking, coaching is like lucrative. So you know, I've been fortunate to work with a lot of great people and a lot of great clients in it. And it's something you know, it's probably going to replace my full time income in a couple of months now. But but I think the key that I want to drive for people is my vision for MasterTalk, is essentially to be the next Dale Carnegie I think the sad part of Dale's narrative, despite all the incredible work he's done, I have full respect for the guy. He was he was just born at the wrong time period. The best way to teach public speaking is through video or podcasts if you can access the person. He just couldn't have done that. Right. Yeah, the technology was impossible for him. Yeah, right. And and I just happen to be born at the right place the right time. My parents immigrated at the right moment, I was born a first world country and all these I happen to go to the world's largest Case Competition school, all this random stuff happened where I learned 40 years of communication knowledge in four so then I had a choice to make, do I stay? Do I become an executive? Do I make my half a million dollar salary, get married? And hopefully not divorced? And then have great kids that died? ups play with it? But or? Or do I go on a mission? To help every single human being in the world? The next Elon Musk, the next Bill Gates, who are probably living in Thailand, or in Cambodia, who don't who can't afford public speaking now? Because you haven't made it yet? What do I serve the next geniuses of our society, that sort of bit more interesting to be so see it, I still lose a lot of money on the YouTube channel. But now it's, it's starting to bring it back.

Burhaan Pattel  32:17
But it's interesting, because I've always said this is that we're entirely lucky, we are so lucky. To have what we have to work online like this for me to meet you. I mean, you're in Canada, right? You're in Montreal. And you know, through my work, and as I speak to my kids daily, they're in South Africa. And I say to them, Well, you know, I have friends pretty much all around the world, like, there's a couple cities that I can go to and meet multiple friends. This is like the position we're in with, you know, we're fortunate enough to be able to communicate this way. And I'm actually happy in a way that the pandemic came around, because it opened the world up to the possibility that this can be global, truly global. Right. And it opens up more opportunity, more accessibility to people just more technology, just everything is better, obviously, apart from the virus, like we want that to buzz off, but like in terms of accelerating, and, and sort of the development of the world. I think it's like really cool. Like the stuff that we've seen this year.

Brenden Kumarasamy  33:28  
You know, it's it's shocking how much we agree today, like it seriously, I agree with every single point you made, especially this one. Because what's fascinating about COVID is it's the first time in a very long time in human history, or we can all relate to each other regardless of where we live.

Burhaan Pattel  33:43  
It's a common factor when I'm present. So where can people find you obviously, MasterTalk on YouTube. But is there any other way that you'd like people to get in touch in case they want to reach out ask more questions get more personal.

Brenden Kumarasamy  33:57
That's definitely the best way you're up so on the nail with that one Burhaan, so feel free to just check out the YouTube. All my contact information is there. And I hope I hope you learn a lot more about public speaking on the channel.

Burhaan Pattel  34:08  
Cool. So Brenden's links will be below the podcast or in the description in the episode. So thank you so much for listening to the episode. If you're listening to this on Apple or Spotify, or wherever it is that you're listening, consider subscribing and leaving a review. I really appreciate that it helps the podcast a lot. The podcast Gods anyway. And so I hope you enjoyed the episode and I look forward to presenting and doing another one with future guests. Soon. Thank you so much. Bye bye for now.

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